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today on the show writer actor and

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seasoned UFO researcher Steve Berg I

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think it's like you know whether or not

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any of it's true

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it almost doesn't matter to me anymore

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you know like it's just interesting it

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really is and I feel like there's just

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something going on that's nonhuman all I

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know is inclusion I can make of all the

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stuff it's like I believe there's a

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phenomena I believe we have no idea and

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we're probably not even close to an

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answer and we probably never will be

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[Applause]

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this is somewhere in the skies with

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Ryan's birth

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[Music]

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so the connections both in Hollywood and

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in the UFO subculture have always been

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ridiculous and that pretty much sums up

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how I connected with today's guests I

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was researching Roswell for a television

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special I was hosting and in my deep

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dive I came across an awesome segment by

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today's guest on Comedy Central

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highly entertaining show he was on

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called drunk history and I did what

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every podcast host does I bombarded our

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guest on his social networks and he was

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kind enough to answer me back and then I

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saw he knew my good friends Greg Bishop

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and Tim pan all who I know are probably

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listening so I learned that his UFO

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knowledge was much more comprehensive

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than just Roswell so I'd love to take a

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deep dive today with him and also talk

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all about his awesome new podcast that

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he's a part of called a voyage to the

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stars so Steve bird thank you so much

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for joining me today on somewhere in the

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skies why thank you for having me on

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young man I'm happy to be here I know we

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were talking off air for a little while

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here so I know this is gonna be a super

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fun one and that's what I have been

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striving for with somewhere in the skies

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is you know we have times dates the

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history of UFOs but dude we're just

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going to deep dive today that's where I

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like to live deep deep deep under the

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water awesome so oh well let's start

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with you know the origin story how did

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you get interested in UFOs to begin with

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is a great question you know like the

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exact I don't remember a moment like I

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remember this so when else I think four

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or five years old my mom took me to get

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a library card and this is kind of more

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of her story she remembers it more than

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I do but she told me you know check out

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as many books as you want and so I

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looked around and I was at four or five

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probably really couldn't read that well

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by then if I even could but I came back

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with a book about magic and a book about

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UFOs and from that point on I was

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obsessed with getting like these my

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library had this like Billy Meyers

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picture book for me oh my god those are

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can't believe this why they were talking

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about this like so I believe my kind of

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gateway drug into UFOs was Billy Meyers

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picture books when I was really really

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little yeah but I kind of like thought

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about this deeply like I'm like why did

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I get to UFOs I've never didn't have an

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experience or anything like that I've

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never seen anything by thing I might I

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grew up in a family with with like no

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religion like I never went to church at

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all I mean we celebrate you know the

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holidays but like not really and I think

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maybe I come to you because I was

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looking for something as well before as

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a religion replacement doing like a deep

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dive like almost like doing self

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reflective therapy on myself but

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absolutely as UFOs they are a belief

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system in many in at the kid I just like

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would believe everything and anything

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just cuz I watch and it was so fun yeah

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but that's kind of you know I didn't

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it's a pretty generic way and I just I

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thought it was something that like I'm I

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couldn't believe that not everyone was

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interested in how boring Steve got you

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yeah that's pretty cool man

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like I I was sort of the same way I did

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have sort of a initiation experience as

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a as a young boy but I did the same

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thing I went that deep dive into my

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public library

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I am I ended up keeping most of the

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books and they never got a bag so neat

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you that's what I would do I was

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actually so for a lot of my both are

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from the Omaha library probably I did

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pay you hefty fine for that yeah yeah

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exactly I know I feel like I probably

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owned the library by now with how much

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money I owe them but well yeah that's

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pretty cool man I I love hearing how

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people got into this and everyone comes

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on it from a different angle and like I

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mentioned in the intro I saw you on I've

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seen you I should say TV and movies and

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everything and I was really surprised

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when I saw you pop up on a show my

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girlfriend and i religiously watch drunk

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history and you come race you

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the case the Reimann okay send ufology

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Roswell and you know I had my brush with

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that recently with the case going out to

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the actual crash site going to the

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Roswell Daily Record and days meeting

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Jesse Marcel's granddaughter which was

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awesome oh that's really cool

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yeah man like we we really we really

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tried to strive to do something new and

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give stories out there and I'll be

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honest you know when I was approached to

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do this television special I I didn't

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want to do it

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I was very possible what the hell is

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left to say about Roswell the challenge

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yeah man so I mean but coming out on the

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other side of it after doing it my mind

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was completely changed on the entire

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incident so I want to ask you having

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covered it and researching it in

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everything yeah what are your personal

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thoughts well you know I mean that's

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interesting you're you're Howie you said

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your mind was changed on after doing a

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deep dive into it because like I feel

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the further away I get away from

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thinking that there is any kind of

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nonhuman intelligence involved but you

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know and but that I don't you know like

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tough case I think to really like draw

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any kind of like conclusion on because

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well I would say that you know it's hard

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it's almost impossible to rule out any

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kind of terrestrial origin of it unless

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there's something I don't know but I

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mean obviously it's an interesting case

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because it's kind of like the it's

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really one of the you know cornerstones

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of the UFO mythology of the 20th century

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and so that you know what whether

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whether or not anything happened there

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is an important case because it's such a

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big thing in UF up the UFO pop culture

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it's also kinda like you know I mean you

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could probably obviously tell I just

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read Dianna Walters Basilica so many of

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the things that she talks about just

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really resonated with me in terms of

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just you know like whether or not

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something is true it doesn't

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you know doesn't make it any less

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important just come by creating like new

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mythology is kind of a whole Carl Jung

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type thing like where it doesn't matter

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if it's true enough people believe this

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and maybe we're making it true you know

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it's crazy I know I kind of maybe

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drifted a little way from Roswell but

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you know in terms of doing it for drunk

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history I'll just explain like how that

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came about I had done a couple of the

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narrations and done some of the

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reenactments Derek waters is an old

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friend of mine these two we we both

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started out second city in Los Angeles

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good and so we met there just became you

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know great friends and uh you know when

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that show you got that show he just you

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know asked me to be a part of it selves

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absolutely I can drink but you know I

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kind of started begging him from the

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oh dude let me do some kind of UFO

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episode anything yeah it's kind of hard

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because there's not really a conclusion

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good point yeah and then they were doing

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an episode specifically on the state of

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New Mexico the one season they were kind

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of focusing on regions and States and

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other Derek Roswell dude I know there's

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episode actually kind of like a popular

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segment for him but yeah it was fun to

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do and I kind of came to the conclusion

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the most likely explanation for me

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okay which is not popular right now like

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actually some [\h__\h] for that but yeah I

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mean to me it's just impossible to say

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what the [\h__\h] happened I'm sorry oh dude

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no we're all about the fun okay alright

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so yeah but it's you know obviously a

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very important case whether you're into

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Roswell or not you can't deny its

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importance well I will I will admit here

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and I even brought this up in our our

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investigation I I I tend to err on the

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side of human with when it comes to

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Roswell I would agree with you that I

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think it was some sort of top-secret

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project my investigative partner and I

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sort of came to the conclusion that

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there was most definitely a cover-up you

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can't deny that yes

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what I mean even the press release that

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was absolutely we're being very unclear

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and weird about it so that makes it

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interesting too you know they spoke more

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with the cover up then you know than

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anything else is a reserved you know

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retracting the story that the day after

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obviously you know like we're filming

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he's like I wonder what it's about

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goes on to uh goes on to tell us you

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know my my relatives work that the

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five-o ninth Bomb Group and they they

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told me the stories about what happened

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there and he went on to tell us one of

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the most like disturbing stories ever

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which kind of related back to all the

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work any Jacobson had done and all these

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stories about like high-altitude balloon

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experiments where they were sending

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children up in these things you know

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just started children children super

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dark man and you know they were seeing

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how high they could get these these

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humans into the air before like the bad

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[\h__\h] started to happen so it's so dark

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and it's way more disturbing than a UFO

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cover-up yeah so mean we didn't even go

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there in this special but it's kind of

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what we alluded to at the end of our

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thing is there's so much more to look

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into this could be way more disturbing

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than any of us thought and and maybe

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that's what they wanted all along let

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the public think it was aliens meanwhile

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we're gonna kill all these kids that no

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one cares about and start the space race

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it's it's insane it's insane that is

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really insane you know it almost reminds

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me of and I never read the book buy

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bread you know i Nick Redfern a book

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about Roswell yes that was very

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controversial and very people you're

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like mad about it but is that sort of

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what the his theory wasn't that kind of

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a theory that they were doing like

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testing unlike you know yeah it was um

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Japanese petabytes and like you got a

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lot of flack for that but I'm telling

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you as soon as we got to Roswell and we

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spoke to several

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locals they all sort of had similar

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stories to tell know whether it was

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cheap Japanese or you know just yeah

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Runaways or unfortunately like mentally

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disabled and physically stable people

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that community you know society sort of

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shuns aside it's it's it's disgusting if

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any of its true but oh dear

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welcome to the world of conspiracies God

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well you know sort of sort of um

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connecting to Roswell just Eve I gotta

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ask you we lost Stanton Friedman

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recently you know the guy who basically

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brought Roswell to the public so did you

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did you follow any of Sten Friedman's

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work and what did it mean to you if he

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did well I mean yes I mean yeah I don't

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think you can you know be a saucer buff

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and not have been influenced by the

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state and Freeman either directly or

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indirectly as a kid he was you know for

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me the face of ufology I guess you know

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if you will like because he was the one

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who was on like the legitimate you know

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I mean he was he might be you know

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unknown Todoke person for you apology in

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like the 80s and 90s kind of when I was

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a kid growing up because he would be the

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one on Larry King eloquently speaking

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about the topic and also can I had you

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know he had a background to prove it

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he's a you know nuclear physicist

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Stanford a lotta Lotta you know but like

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he first in Freeman was the guy man you

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know really and I think sort of a

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certain point in my you know UFO

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personal you know like looking into the

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topic I may be stopped caring about some

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of the stuff he was talking about like

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in terms of like you know the government

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the government in the UFO stuff is like

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well it's interesting to me is not that

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important to me I actually tend to

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believe that the government maybe has

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more evidence of the stuff but has no

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clue what it is through some reason I

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feel like I need to be proved wrong on

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that until I would think anything else

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but uh yes Stan Freeman is a you know

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larger and life luminary of the field

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man I love the guy actually the only

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runnin I ever

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and I was a kid probably 13 or 14 at a

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UFO convention in Lincoln Nebraska and

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Stan was kind of like you know the big

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he was the big closer of like the wait

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the weekend you know and I'm like to see

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Stan Freeman so my mom dropped me off

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like an hour away from Omaha where I'm

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from and Lincoln Nebraska and I spent

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you know a couple days and going to

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these lectures I was just floored it was

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incredible but I've been waiting a long

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line to you know it was like a book

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signing for Stan Freeman and I didn't

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have a book I just went away in line

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like shake his hand and so I get in the

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line shake his hand and he's like what

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no book I think you know like it sound

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like from what I heard but he he went

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out do what he loves man like there's no

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you know like he was like literally like

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on tour or like going to speeding or

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something like that I mean that's how I

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want to go you know like doing what I

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loved is still still having passion

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inside me and uh yeah man I think that's

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a life well-lived I I would have to

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agree man I mean like you said like he

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sort of preached the same thing for over

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50 years but like there's something to

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it and you know what do you think but

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yeah yeah exactly and he had his little

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sound bites so yeah he was the one they

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would put on TV because he knew how to

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work the media and he knew how to like

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make the most of the time he was given

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to talk legitimately about UFOs so you

401
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know we have so much to thank him for in

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terms of that I feel I used the term

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gray basket for like things all the time

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great vision to one of my managers about

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fitting up a couple ideas I was working

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on she's asked me about one of my deals

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ago I just got to talk to one the grey

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basket referring to but yeah you know

409
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yeah when he had noisy negative esteem

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negative

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you've got a couple men he's got a

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couple like buzz words they're pretty

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great well I mean how

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like I feel like that's gonna catch on

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like right now because I mean we're just

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swimming in a world with noisy negatives

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Nathan dig into this right now yeah I

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know man Friedman knew more about the

419
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world than just UFOs so yeah he did you

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like you said he went out doing what he

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loved he was on his way home from giving

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a UFO lecture so what else what more can

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you ask for I think I think it's kind of

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beautiful obviously you know like maybe

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a family would have preferred to be

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around him but like I'm sure they're

427
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like no he was doing I mean what more

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can you ask for

429
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you know yep well getting back to you

430
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know some of your own or your brush with

431
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all these UFOs and hogs and everything

432
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man this is a bit more on the paranormal

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side earth and I know it's a little it's

434
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a little sordid history for you but I

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have to ask or in Walker ranch the films

436
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are er done found footage film is there

437
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anything you're willing to share with us

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about your research into into skinwalker

439
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and the process on that project I well

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you know like a lot of especially

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independent movies where you're getting

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you don't want your kind of like it

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someone at the Redwood any look with

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anything in Hollywood you're sort of at

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the end of the day someone at the mercy

446
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like idealist you know I still think

447
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Hollywood can be about Arden you know

448
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like doing something exactly what you

449
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want but uh you're not paying for it

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doesn't turn out that way was it done

451
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anyway so I I had gotten fascinated with

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the skinwalker ranch I think maybe

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hearing George Knapp talk about it on a

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show it wasn't with art Belle probably

455
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at the time but either what you know he

456
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was ghost in the show but anyways he did

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this show years ago probably ten years

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ago now about stomach wrench and I was

459
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like just holy [\h__\h]

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captivated and I remember going out and

461
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getting the his you know book about

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skinwalker ranch in reading it in one

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sitting and then like being in the next

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next week and I just done this indie

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movie that was shot in Utah and it was

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really it was a fun little movie in uh

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so I kind of became you know buddies

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with the guy who finances at the

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executive producer

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I pitched him this idea my friend well

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myself this uh Devon begin who is my

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partner into this project and he did you

473
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know most of the directing uh but he

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really I was kind of just more of a

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quality control guy in the set but uh we

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pitched him this idea literally just in

477
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a car ride we had no material and he was

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like I love it I'll give you guys this

479
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much money I do it right what and he was

480
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I'm so serious like set up an account

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for us like sturdiest development oh my

482
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god I can't believe that was easy but we

483
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felt like it was such a good idea and we

484
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had kind of a way in you know I my pitch

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was it was kind of like a more of a

486
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psychological thriller not a horror

487
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movie it was not intend to be a found

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footage movie for you know it was more

489
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like poltergeist sitting on a ranch you

490
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know like how like to me that sounds

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really good

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or was psychologically you know but uh

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you know that when it was coming out the

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found footage trend was reimagine in a

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big way so we at the last second kind of

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got pressured to turn it into a bath

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lunch Lily and yeah that's the lesson

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yeah that's just not the movie I

499
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intended to be you know what I mean like

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it was I look back hey it's the money

501
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moving on like yeah I was gonna say you

502
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got to research skinwalker ranch which

503
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hadn't really been done that much at

504
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that time you know yeah dude I mean like

505
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I still love skinwalker ranch I think

506
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about all time I always always like

507
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trying to convince my wife like our next

508
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vacation but eventually I do I actually

509
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have a couple buddies who are like you

510
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know mildly interested in this stuff and

511
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I'm trying to convince them to take a

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road trip with me there and like and I

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love fly fishing so I'm like well fly

514
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fish on the way man it'll be great nice

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so yeah it's still a pill rich I need to

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make a hotel in Gorham and stay there

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and it's like [\h__\h] with locals and

518
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you know drink beer at a honky-tonk it

519
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sounds fun to me it sounds awesome

520
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did you know it did you happy to see

521
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that recent documentary on skinwalker

522
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ranch oh yeah yeah

523
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available the the cambridge name he's

524
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got a long journey Lockerbie corbels so

525
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yes yes you know I watched that in

526
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there's a new one in

527
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look I mean because here's what I will

528
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say I felt very gratified to see he

529
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liked more pictures of the property and

530
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some but I feel like I don't we know

531
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without say anything like you know like

532
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you know I don't wanna like rip it apart

533
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of any effort to do something about skin

534
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like a ranch I applaud but uh it I think

535
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it left a little something to be desired

536
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for me I think it's just his style of

537
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:11,870
directing and maybe crafting a

538
00:22:15,789 --> 00:22:13,850
documentary if not for me you know a lot

539
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:15,799
of people have said that in journeys a

540
00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:18,799
friend of the show and but you know when

541
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,140
you make films like it is out there for

542
00:22:25,810 --> 00:22:23,840
the public to either rip or praise and

543
00:22:28,029 --> 00:22:25,820
you know I think he's still finding his

544
00:22:29,529 --> 00:22:28,039
footing he's getting his voice out there

545
00:22:31,419 --> 00:22:29,539
but at the end of the day like you said

546
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:31,429
how do you how do you cover skinwalker

547
00:22:35,770 --> 00:22:33,710
ranch in like an hour and a half and the

548
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:35,780
impossible it's impossible test that's

549
00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:37,970
right like I say like I applaud him like

550
00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:40,340
I I love that that dudes out there doing

551
00:22:43,330 --> 00:22:41,929
what he's doing like I was like in

552
00:22:45,010 --> 00:22:43,340
you're like I know he's sort of a

553
00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:45,020
polarizing figure and that's fine you

554
00:22:48,730 --> 00:22:46,190
know like that wasn't a some more

555
00:22:50,529 --> 00:22:48,740
interesting to me by that yeah it's

556
00:22:52,409 --> 00:22:50,539
really like and that's when I kind of

557
00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:52,419
thought what I was going to watch it my

558
00:22:56,529 --> 00:22:54,500
expectations somewhat low because I'm

559
00:22:59,200 --> 00:22:56,539
like how do you really cover something

560
00:23:00,520 --> 00:22:59,210
that really isn't documented that we

561
00:23:02,350 --> 00:23:00,530
know I mean maybe there's like your

562
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:02,360
secret videos and secret pictures and

563
00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:04,370
stuff like that but you know you know

564
00:23:09,070 --> 00:23:07,070
like I don't know I feel like it's in a

565
00:23:13,210 --> 00:23:09,080
possible test yeah I enjoyed it I

566
00:23:15,789 --> 00:23:13,220
watched it twice so it's like I would

567
00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:15,799
not go back a second time but I just to

568
00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:18,049
be able to see more pictures of the

569
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:21,950
actual property to me was side though so

570
00:23:27,070 --> 00:23:25,130
it feels so good I could look at just

571
00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:27,080
like mundane pictures of that property

572
00:23:29,289 --> 00:23:27,500
all day

573
00:23:31,419 --> 00:23:29,299
like everything just excites me you know

574
00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:31,429
what well I feel the same way about the

575
00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:34,549
area 51 the Bob Lazar film he did too

576
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,470
you know I've always been very on the

577
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:38,960
fence about Bob Lazar and I went to be

578
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:42,650
the LA premiere of that one and I'll

579
00:23:47,740 --> 00:23:44,510
tell you right now man like I left

580
00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:47,750
definitely like a little changed feeling

581
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:49,750
more like I believed Bob Lazar

582
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,090
least that he saw what he says he saw

583
00:23:57,570 --> 00:23:54,400
now I mean that that was all [\h__\h] or

584
00:23:59,670 --> 00:23:57,580
disinformation like I'm completely open

585
00:24:03,660 --> 00:23:59,680
to that but I left being like holy [\h__\h]

586
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,670
like I I actually believe this dude yeah

587
00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:05,820
I don't know it's tough it's no I

588
00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:09,190
actually if you know if you had to if I

589
00:24:12,450 --> 00:24:11,110
had to make a choice I agreed that I

590
00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:12,460
think he says something very important

591
00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:15,190
the whole thing that I believe that he

592
00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:17,260
believes what he's saying and what he

593
00:24:20,670 --> 00:24:18,700
believed you know I believe that he

594
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:20,680
believes what he saw and I think that is

595
00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:21,850
very proper it's the same thing with

596
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:23,320
like whitley strieber it's like he has

597
00:24:27,270 --> 00:24:25,810
no real evidence but I believe that what

598
00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:27,280
this driver experienced what he thinks

599
00:24:31,410 --> 00:24:29,020
he experienced it whether or not it was

600
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:31,420
actually what it was no but you know

601
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:34,510
like so I feel like you had you kind of

602
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:36,610
hit the nail on the head that that what

603
00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:38,290
you just said I think applies to a lot

604
00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:42,070
in this film it is the mantra I believe

605
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:45,640
they believe this and that's important

606
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:47,170
you've been really important actually

607
00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:50,530
you know so that that's it's you know I

608
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:51,940
mean I'm not trying to in generalize too

609
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:53,110
much but that's kind of that you know

610
00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:55,810
that come with shock delay issue it just

611
00:25:00,030 --> 00:24:57,940
goes back the whole thing reads it he

612
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:00,040
know he believes this topic is way more

613
00:25:05,220 --> 00:25:02,290
complex than aliens coming from another

614
00:25:06,930 --> 00:25:05,230
planet you know and I know I feel like

615
00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:06,940
the more and more you look into this

616
00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:08,470
stuff and then the more and more you

617
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:10,600
reject the light you're like oh how do

618
00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:12,370
you not subscribe to a lot of what he

619
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:15,070
said you know right and I mean there are

620
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,290
nuts and bolts ufologists out there and

621
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:19,360
that's we need like that's the stuff

622
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:20,650
that's gonna make it to the mainstream

623
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:21,520
data

624
00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:25,030
radar tracings and that's awesome and

625
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,160
it's like we need it but at the end of

626
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:28,960
the day like I'm the kind of guy who I

627
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:30,730
want to interview witnesses and get

628
00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:32,770
their testimony and sometimes that's all

629
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:35,590
we have to rely on yep it but I think

630
00:25:39,780 --> 00:25:37,810
these stories are very important you

631
00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:39,790
know I really do and I agree with you

632
00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:42,870
like IIM probably I'm more turned on by

633
00:25:48,540 --> 00:25:46,150
listening to experiencers contactees or

634
00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:48,550
people who have even secondhand

635
00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:50,920
knowledge of high strangeness I will

636
00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:52,870
always be interested in people's stories

637
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:55,060
well I always be interested in like the

638
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:56,650
Navy's involvement the Tic Tac incident

639
00:26:00,319 --> 00:25:57,450
I mean

640
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:00,329
you know what is frankly I find it all

641
00:26:08,509 --> 00:26:05,820
very you want to get into all that but

642
00:26:10,099 --> 00:26:08,519
like I follow it sure but like you know

643
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:10,109
almost at an arm's length a little bit

644
00:26:15,619 --> 00:26:13,529
just because I feel like it's I find so

645
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:15,629
much redundancy in all this stuff and I

646
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:16,919
don't understand what they were so

647
00:26:20,930 --> 00:26:19,070
excited right now

648
00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:20,940
Washington Post is like writing articles

649
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:23,759
that I will be of course is exciting

650
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:26,039
whenever like it means be media like

651
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:28,769
that covers it you know but yeah let's

652
00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:30,570
let's touch on that Steve because

653
00:26:34,879 --> 00:26:32,700
actually you know that that is what is

654
00:26:37,219 --> 00:26:34,889
in the zeitgeist right now and you know

655
00:26:42,349 --> 00:26:37,229
we have this new show coming out by Tom

656
00:26:44,779 --> 00:26:42,359
DeLonge to the stars Academy nice nice

657
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,789
hell yeah it's a good show I've seen the

658
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:47,279
first episode but that being said like

659
00:26:54,139 --> 00:26:50,849
there's no arguing that what these dudes

660
00:26:57,619 --> 00:26:54,149
are doing and how the mainstream media

661
00:27:00,469 --> 00:26:57,629
is covering UFOs right now is it's big

662
00:27:03,259 --> 00:27:00,479
and it's it's out there unlike it's ever

663
00:27:05,449 --> 00:27:03,269
been before so I mean not getting too

664
00:27:07,609 --> 00:27:05,459
deep into the stars or the Navy or

665
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:07,619
anything like that um what do you think

666
00:27:12,589 --> 00:27:09,929
about this being a new sort of era of

667
00:27:14,899 --> 00:27:12,599
disclosure I mean my [\h__\h] parents are

668
00:27:16,399 --> 00:27:14,909
texting on me being like oh we're gonna

669
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:16,409
watch that show tonight oh your ads

670
00:27:19,849 --> 00:27:18,179
coming over like they can't believe this

671
00:27:22,249 --> 00:27:19,859
like oh they're just a Good Morning

672
00:27:23,719 --> 00:27:22,259
America like it's crazy the amount of

673
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,729
attention this is getting right now and

674
00:27:34,999 --> 00:27:25,919
is this all a marketing ploy for this TV

675
00:27:37,099 --> 00:27:35,009
show or like just knowing how Hollywood

676
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:37,109
likes to market and look at the end of

677
00:27:41,869 --> 00:27:39,809
day you know History Channel doesn't

678
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:41,879
give a [\h__\h] if they're disclosing real

679
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:43,289
information they care about numbers and

680
00:27:48,229 --> 00:27:45,329
readings and how much they can charge

681
00:27:49,579 --> 00:27:48,239
for ad dollars so the more they market

682
00:27:52,009 --> 00:27:49,589
this the more they give I mean it's just

683
00:27:53,749 --> 00:27:52,019
like when you do what I when I do even

684
00:27:56,299 --> 00:27:53,759
like my podcast a month they send me out

685
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:56,309
to do press before he becomes that so

686
00:28:02,190 --> 00:27:58,480
this you can look at it as like

687
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:02,200
I don't think Jimmy Kimmel or Stephen

688
00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:03,550
Colbert is that interested in having

689
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:07,900
people from that show to be you know so

690
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,550
they have to market it somehow so to

691
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:11,200
market it as kind of like this like I

692
00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:13,210
mean I'm not trying like you know this

693
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:14,740
sounds like I'm trying to like you know

694
00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:16,930
take the air of the tires but uh I do

695
00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:19,750
believe that this is I mean if you don't

696
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,360
believe this is marketing then I don't I

697
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:24,240
don't think maybe you understand how he

698
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,650
works this is definitely I mean it's

699
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:28,480
definitely you can see this is there

700
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:29,710
Murphy campaign before the show comes

701
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:32,710
out and that's fine and like it's really

702
00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:34,210
cool that like Good Morning America is

703
00:28:38,790 --> 00:28:35,950
taking an interest in this stuff yeah

704
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:38,800
but I just have to go back to one thing

705
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:40,450
I think it's really funny is that you

706
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:43,030
know so many people in the UFO community

707
00:28:46,530 --> 00:28:44,710
for years and years and years have been

708
00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:46,540
like never trust the government

709
00:28:50,460 --> 00:28:48,280
never trust a word they say they're

710
00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:50,470
lying to us about UFOs and this and that

711
00:28:55,770 --> 00:28:53,080
but ah blah and now when the government

712
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:55,780
comes out and tells them that yes UFOs

713
00:28:59,310 --> 00:28:57,370
are real and this has happened you know

714
00:29:06,620 --> 00:28:59,320
this is what is absolutely the

715
00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:08,970
in like the ticktick video you know I

716
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:11,740
remember saying that ten years ago it's

717
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:12,910
not it not

718
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,370
oh the typically do chemo but it was

719
00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:17,440
released a long time ago looking 2010

720
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:19,000
yeah I mean I've heard I've heard

721
00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:20,650
rumblings of that and people have seen

722
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:22,780
it I personally had no knowledge of it

723
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,090
but again like I wasn't really chasing

724
00:29:29,970 --> 00:29:28,000
UFOs that closely back then but that's

725
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:29,980
interesting so you knew about the

726
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:33,310
tic-tac event much earlier I know yeah

727
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,740
well it looked like to me at the time

728
00:29:38,730 --> 00:29:36,640
when I thought I was like yeah that

729
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,740
looks like some radar photos you have an

730
00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:40,480
airplane you know cool ah the little

731
00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:42,070
thing that you know it's flying around

732
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:44,980
so it wasn't that exciting then but I

733
00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:46,750
guess it got more exciting when you

734
00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:48,190
heard the story behind and you heard

735
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:49,540
some of the testimony and they started

736
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:51,340
talking about a Howlett going in and out

737
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:51,820
of

738
00:29:58,170 --> 00:29:54,850
all the stuff that is oh yeah I find

739
00:30:01,530 --> 00:29:58,180
that stuff interesting too but I'm just

740
00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:01,540
a little like skeptical of how all this

741
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:02,620
is being rolled out

742
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:04,690
I feel like to buy this whole cloth and

743
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:06,790
just like buy into the full situation

744
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:08,710
it's a little weird especially when an

745
00:30:16,380 --> 00:30:10,930
entertainment production company is the

746
00:30:18,330 --> 00:30:16,390
one good for I'm glad this is all

747
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:18,340
happening but you know I think a lot of

748
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:19,630
my friends and he's like yeah well

749
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:20,890
YouTube because everyone you know a lot

750
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:22,360
people know me you know for more than

751
00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:25,320
two days know I'm into this stuff so

752
00:30:39,210 --> 00:30:33,220
they're afforded me they're way more

753
00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:39,220
exciting then totally you make a good

754
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,430
point to like we have to we got a remain

755
00:30:47,370 --> 00:30:44,080
level-headed when it comes to this

756
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:47,380
there's people who are super super Pro

757
00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:49,960
Tom DeLonge and to the Stars and and

758
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:51,940
then you have the people on the complete

759
00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:54,310
opposite side saying like oh this is all

760
00:30:58,290 --> 00:30:56,440
just a whole disinformation campaign all

761
00:31:03,420 --> 00:30:58,300
over again we've seen this you know

762
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,430
throughout the decades in u.s. so I'm

763
00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:05,440
kind of still somewhere in the middle

764
00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:08,680
I don't applaud the effort I think it

765
00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:12,070
it's making UFOs cool and dude like you

766
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:14,620
and I both know how long we've strived

767
00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:22,480
for us to be cool like shows I spend

768
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:24,220
time developing and pitching about like

769
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:30,490
UFOs and paranormal all this stuff oh my

770
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:32,940
god now it's my time I have a chance

771
00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:35,350
well that's actually my next question

772
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:38,860
man um I know for a fact there are a ton

773
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:41,370
of UFO shows coming out after this

774
00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:44,830
History Channel thing you know I guilty

775
00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:47,320
I'm part of one of them but yeah I gotta

776
00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:50,830
ask you in pitching these UFO shows to

777
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:54,580
networks and all that what kind of UFO

778
00:31:59,970 --> 00:31:57,010
show would you want to work on or watch

779
00:32:02,520 --> 00:31:59,980
on TV I guesses

780
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:02,530
well mine would be more of something

781
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:05,290
where it's not about finding the truth

782
00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:06,970
but more about the people in the

783
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:10,950
characters I am really fascinated with

784
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:16,000
1980s UFO culture it's the Wild West and

785
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:17,200
I didn't really experience it by you

786
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,690
know read Jacques ballets like his

787
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:22,000
journal book journals about the 80s and

788
00:32:26,909 --> 00:32:24,850
like you know just like all the William

789
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:26,919
Moore stuff going on the Bedouin stuff

790
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:30,220
going on it was like such a I would feel

791
00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:32,110
like a TV show based off Greek bishops

792
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:35,230
book project beta just this show I want

793
00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:36,610
to make like I talked to Greg about

794
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:38,440
multiple times but I even want to make

795
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:41,520
that into a movie or a hour-long

796
00:32:47,580 --> 00:32:45,190
sort of like not to me comedy show but

797
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,590
like sort of a dramedy because I feel

798
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:49,840
like a lot of this UFO stuff explosion

799
00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:51,190
with the people and just the culture of

800
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:53,860
it it's absolutely hilarious yeah I know

801
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:56,230
fun of people or their beliefs is just

802
00:33:00,240 --> 00:32:58,630
it's just that you know I remember

803
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:00,250
hearing one story about Edgar Wright

804
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:01,750
lean as one of his books Happy Trails

805
00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:03,910
too high strangeness wrote that he would

806
00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:05,590
you like some like weird UFO conference

807
00:33:10,650 --> 00:33:07,900
in Nevada and one of the youth I think

808
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:10,660
Jordan Maxwell was selling which is

809
00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:13,630
rotisserie chicken like and forth like

810
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:15,580
that is what I want to make a TV show

811
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:24,460
about a little bit light and funny it's

812
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:25,929
like I don't really want to try to

813
00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:27,520
compete with like all the the you know

814
00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:29,500
the serious like x-files like

815
00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:31,660
governments you know hiding secrets from

816
00:33:34,049 --> 00:33:32,200
you

817
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:34,059
that type of stuff is becoming a little

818
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:36,970
boring to me I guess my old age yeah it

819
00:33:42,419 --> 00:33:38,500
was my dream I would do a project beta

820
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:42,429
the TV show that is like a pitch that so

821
00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:44,169
many people can get behind I thought

822
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:45,880
that for so many years after I read it

823
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:47,530
the first time I'm like holy [\h__\h] this

824
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:50,790
is a movie this is a movie right here

825
00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:54,370
movie stretch it out the six seasons of

826
00:34:00,090 --> 00:33:57,340
TV you know like take some liberties

827
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,100
with you know some narratives and stuff

828
00:34:04,029 --> 00:34:01,840
like that but just to base it off

829
00:34:05,979 --> 00:34:04,039
project beta and then you know

830
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:05,989
kind of tangental Ivan gone from there

831
00:34:09,819 --> 00:34:07,929
oh what a great palette to work from

832
00:34:12,789 --> 00:34:09,829
absolutely well let me get your opinion

833
00:34:15,819 --> 00:34:12,799
on this are you uh are you pro or anti

834
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:15,829
project Bluebook this history television

835
00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:18,500
show I tried to watch it just wasn't for

836
00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:20,599
me yeah okay okay yeah that's another

837
00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:22,190
one where I'm like all right they're

838
00:34:28,180 --> 00:34:24,740
they're making Hynek this serious like

839
00:34:30,609 --> 00:34:28,190
staunch believer and like almost like an

840
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,619
action hero means meanwhile you've got

841
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:32,240
this rich history of the guy who

842
00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:35,540
literally on the way to going to

843
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,849
investigate a case as it's happening his

844
00:34:42,099 --> 00:34:39,679
car breaks down with his other like

845
00:34:43,869 --> 00:34:42,109
government officials so they're waiting

846
00:34:46,359 --> 00:34:43,879
for another government car to show up

847
00:34:49,539 --> 00:34:46,369
and Hynek is like [\h__\h] you guys he

848
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:49,549
hitchhikes like 50 miles to the site

849
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:51,349
where it happening and he gets there

850
00:34:55,569 --> 00:34:52,970
before everyone else to investigate you

851
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:55,579
be the first one on site absolutely [\h__\h]

852
00:35:01,630 --> 00:34:58,970
I want to see man yeah dude I'm with you

853
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:01,640
on that I think they kind of they had

854
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:03,530
our huge opportunity with the show of

855
00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:06,140
this and sometimes I feel what happens

856
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,549
is they give these great opportunities

857
00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:10,160
or someone has a great idea and then

858
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:12,920
they hire a writing staff that has no

859
00:35:17,069 --> 00:35:14,930
interest in this topic at all and so

860
00:35:19,539 --> 00:35:17,079
this guy saw a very services story

861
00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:19,549
it's it's so true man I had David

862
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,260
O'Leary the head writer the creator I

863
00:35:26,799 --> 00:35:23,599
should say on the show when the first

864
00:35:30,309 --> 00:35:26,809
episode aired and you can tell this guy

865
00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:30,319
is so passionate in trying to do so much

866
00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:33,619
justice to Hynek and he knows his stuff

867
00:35:39,609 --> 00:35:37,160
my god like like you said man once the

868
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:39,619
execs get involved in these is people

869
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:42,170
who have no history with the topic or or

870
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:44,630
care whatsoever about you know this

871
00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:47,720
niche folk community it's it's got to be

872
00:35:51,099 --> 00:35:49,220
tough I can't imagine the struggle

873
00:35:51,549 --> 00:35:51,109
they're O'Leary's going through right

874
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:51,559
now

875
00:35:59,530 --> 00:35:57,530
because so much of the stuff at the UFO

876
00:36:02,380 --> 00:35:59,540
topic that I love I think to an outside

877
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:02,390
audience would be considered mundane you

878
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:04,250
know everything like the idea of a kind

879
00:36:08,109 --> 00:36:06,530
of hitchhiking I would love that you

880
00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:08,119
would love that but I could be exact

881
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:10,220
they'd be like why no that takes five

882
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:11,880
pages of thread

883
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:14,460
you know like so it's like I see a lot

884
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:17,190
of the good like Nuggets I bet that this

885
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,810
guy wants to tell he just have he

886
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:20,940
struggling up against you know but again

887
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:23,370
like I like that it's out there you know

888
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:26,460
it's just not really probably I think we

889
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:28,890
know when a UFO show comes out they

890
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:32,070
really try to target people on almost

891
00:36:36,590 --> 00:36:34,200
like a one-on-one level as if it was a

892
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:36,600
college course we are in that to be like

893
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,250
you know this is nothing to brag about

894
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:40,500
if maybe something tonight that's like

895
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:42,780
Nick potentially maybe waste a lot of

896
00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:45,570
time looking stuff but we're at a

897
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:47,190
master's level you know what I'm saying

898
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,320
like so the stuff I'm gonna want to see

899
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,740
it's probably not what 98% of you know

900
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:54,720
people would want who would watch this

901
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:56,940
yes I see if I eat my project beta I

902
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:58,530
want to make a project Bay the TV show I

903
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:01,140
don't know I think it'd be a tough pitch

904
00:37:12,590 --> 00:37:09,390
maybe you want to beg about you it's so

905
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,600
too man like I got ripped apart for my

906
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:14,700
Roswell special just because all these

907
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:17,100
UFO vets are like this is everything we

908
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:18,690
already knew and I kept telling them

909
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,020
guys this is the CW these are like 14

910
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:24,000
year old girls watching this they have

911
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:26,190
never heard of Roswell so it really I

912
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:29,550
understand marketing and demographics

913
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:34,200
when it comes like you gotta you gotta

914
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:36,780
realize when it's when it's straight up

915
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:39,090
television and when it's like a

916
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:41,160
documentary they're completely brighten

917
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:43,290
things so yeah I totally agree with you

918
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:45,960
yeah I'm sort of like I can't really

919
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:47,370
talk about too much not that it's like

920
00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:49,290
should be figurative but it's just like

921
00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:51,990
cuz I really shouldn't but I am I am

922
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:54,750
myself developing a half-hour sort of

923
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:57,090
dark series on the UFO topic and other

924
00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:00,420
weirdness but um it is uphill battle

925
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:02,790
because you know like I had to I'm

926
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:03,930
trying to make a show that I think

927
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:05,910
people could find humorous interesting

928
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,240
and then my goal is to have like people

929
00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:10,800
like you in great Bishop and Tim Bernal

930
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:13,430
say that's a good show cool cool well

931
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:18,480
that's a hard balance it's like almost

932
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:19,010
the her

933
00:38:23,110 --> 00:38:20,600
thing I've ever tried to relate develop

934
00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:23,120
to be honest with you so but it I hope

935
00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:24,470
hopefully I get a chance at least you to

936
00:38:32,290 --> 00:38:29,860
pilot so I know we're all in your corner

937
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:32,300
well let going back to the UFO community

938
00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:33,050
Steve

939
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:35,000
you know we've heard some of the most

940
00:38:39,850 --> 00:38:37,910
incredible stories and some are just

941
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:39,860
borderline crazy like let's let's be

942
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:44,450
honest here and that's why we love this

943
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:46,970
field and because they come from people

944
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:51,200
telling them who I don't

945
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,810
I hate singling people out or alienating

946
00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:55,760
people but they gain these huge

947
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:57,910
followings almost like a cult-like

948
00:39:04,990 --> 00:39:00,800
mentality so why maybe someone like

949
00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:05,000
Corey good okay you said it I didn't but

950
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,470
why do you think that is man do you

951
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:08,000
think there's like a place for people

952
00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:10,370
like this in the quote-unquote UFO

953
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:14,060
community absolutely now I would when

954
00:39:17,890 --> 00:39:15,770
you said we started even saying this I

955
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:17,900
looked over my bookshelf and I saw and

956
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:21,170
this is a synchronicity but messengers

957
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:23,060
of deception one of my favorite favorite

958
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:24,430
favorite books about the UFO topic

959
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,690
really lays out like really lays out its

960
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,000
almost predict alike Corey Goode and in

961
00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:33,920
a David Wilcock you know I'm not judging

962
00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:35,000
them they're doing what they're doing

963
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,230
and that's fine but they they have taken

964
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:42,160
this angle of not or not UFO researchers

965
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:45,830
people who know the truth and if you

966
00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:47,810
listen to us you are gonna find out what

967
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:49,580
the truth is and that is basically sort

968
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:51,010
of the same thing as a cult leader or

969
00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:53,810
any you know every religion started as a

970
00:39:59,050 --> 00:39:56,990
cult about even Catholicism it was all

971
00:40:00,340 --> 00:39:59,060
cool originally it was probably just

972
00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:00,350
eight dudes going hey you have any

973
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:05,270
control people you know and I I largely

974
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:06,950
feel like if you read it kind of

975
00:40:10,930 --> 00:40:09,110
messages of deception is such an

976
00:40:13,690 --> 00:40:10,940
important book to reread right now I

977
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:13,700
can't even say that enough but Jacques

978
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:16,130
Vallee warns about these types of people

979
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:18,650
coming into this field and you know

980
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:21,730
co-opting the UFO topic into a

981
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:23,090
metaphysical

982
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:25,310
I've got the answer listen to me you

983
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:27,650
know if you give me you know twenty

984
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:29,830
dollars or something

985
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:31,810
I mean it really is you know like a in

986
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:35,470
so I mean I find all that stuff deeply

987
00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:37,450
fascinating to the you know people's

988
00:40:42,090 --> 00:40:40,060
like just need to believe in something

989
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:42,100
incredibly sensational you know like in

990
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:45,580
so UFOs as religion is definitely a

991
00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:48,940
thing in my eyes you know really it's in

992
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,860
it's a new religion then Carl Jung he

993
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:53,440
was you know what I read his book that

994
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,060
he wrote about UFOs at tornadoes like

995
00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:56,800
and I remember the title but he talks

996
00:41:01,640 --> 00:40:58,900
about this you know like this is a

997
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:01,650
mythology for the 20th century so it's

998
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:03,850
really fascinating because I feel like a

999
00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:05,830
lot you know not a lot of these guys but

1000
00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:06,940
you know a handful of and it's usually

1001
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:11,500
always white men of course these types

1002
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:14,470
of UFO like colty luminaries but uh yeah

1003
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:18,520
like you know it's really it's funny to

1004
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:20,290
me to watch it that's another good TV

1005
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:27,760
show idea - yeah I think it's kind of

1006
00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:30,280
all ridiculous by the way for some

1007
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:31,750
reason I like that it's in the field

1008
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:33,940
it's funny to me you can't keeps me

1009
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:35,260
compelled I check in with what those

1010
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:36,790
guys are doing every once a while like

1011
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:39,310
the weird stuff man

1012
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:43,050
you're so right the the UFO lore

1013
00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:45,490
mythology or feel I don't know what the

1014
00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:47,380
[\h__\h] to call it anymore that being said

1015
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:51,160
it repeats itself over and over again

1016
00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:54,010
you have the contact DS you have the

1017
00:41:58,830 --> 00:41:56,950
abductees in the 80s and 90s now we have

1018
00:42:02,120 --> 00:41:58,840
these dudes claiming you know they were

1019
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:02,130
working with Obama on Mars in a separate

1020
00:42:07,350 --> 00:42:05,020
sodium program absolutely and you know

1021
00:42:09,210 --> 00:42:07,360
what Ryan it's like it goes back even

1022
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:09,220
further than that when you when you read

1023
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:10,840
you know the work throw fillet and stuff

1024
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:11,950
like passports with Tony

1025
00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:14,080
it's like these patterns of like you

1026
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:16,840
know abductees canta T's it's undeniable

1027
00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:18,100
when you read the work of the light that

1028
00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:19,990
this stuff doesn't has been going on for

1029
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:23,260
a long long time like thousands of years

1030
00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:26,020
probably before man you know like so

1031
00:42:30,570 --> 00:42:27,940
it's almost like these patterns they it

1032
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:30,580
just alters itself as we evolve

1033
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:32,530
technologically you know it's it's very

1034
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:36,230
strange it's very odd all over again

1035
00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:39,140
I mean like even you you know you know

1036
00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:41,660
you deep dive to Dinah Walsh's book and

1037
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:43,460
uh the lace book and you're like how

1038
00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:45,500
many religions that are still around

1039
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:47,900
today we're started by potentially UFO

1040
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,930
incident for sure

1041
00:42:57,550 --> 00:42:55,760
it's food for thought and you know the

1042
00:43:01,090 --> 00:42:57,560
idea of deception I struggle with it

1043
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:01,100
because like I believe that there's 99%

1044
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:03,350
of alien abduction testimony and

1045
00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:05,810
everything is either you know regressed

1046
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:09,020
memories of trauma or right delusion or

1047
00:43:12,580 --> 00:43:10,730
straight-up just bullshitting but then

1048
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:12,590
there's like dude there's always that 1%

1049
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:15,230
where I'm like holy oh yeah I don't know

1050
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,010
I'm with you I totally agree I mean like

1051
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:20,960
you know like even like looking at like

1052
00:43:25,330 --> 00:43:23,030
the travel you know some of the big and

1053
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:25,340
big you know no abductee case like

1054
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:28,040
Travis Walden will East River I actually

1055
00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:30,050
believed like you said earlier I believe

1056
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:34,190
that they believe so that is enough for

1057
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:36,170
me to be really interested you know in a

1058
00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:37,970
weird way because I will never know for

1059
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:39,500
sure you know like it's not like you

1060
00:43:42,849 --> 00:43:41,210
know Travis Waltons gonna produce like

1061
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:42,859
concrete evidence at this point or

1062
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:43,670
Whitley for that matter

1063
00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:48,530
yeah but the way they did is I find it

1064
00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:49,880
very composed I don't want to throw out

1065
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:52,190
these cases you know and I'm actually I

1066
00:43:56,530 --> 00:43:54,770
love the John Max book abduction Becca

1067
00:43:59,170 --> 00:43:56,540
they've scared that hell out of me as a

1068
00:44:01,810 --> 00:43:59,180
kid yeah that was a very powerful book

1069
00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:01,820
and I think it's like you know whether

1070
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:04,190
or not any of its true it almost doesn't

1071
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:06,050
matter to me anymore you know like it's

1072
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:09,140
just interesting it really is I feel

1073
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:10,550
like there's just something going on

1074
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:14,900
that's nonhuman all I know if we can

1075
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:15,950
collision I can make of all this stuff

1076
00:44:19,330 --> 00:44:17,210
it's like I believe there was a

1077
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:19,340
phenomena I believe we have no idea and

1078
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:20,480
we're probably not even close to an

1079
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:22,130
answer and we probably never will be

1080
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,050
that's gonna be yeah that's gonna be the

1081
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:26,960
opening buffer for the episode I'm

1082
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:28,730
marking it I'm marking it right here

1083
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:33,590
actually original thought at all it's

1084
00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:35,510
just you know it's really probably good

1085
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:37,640
pulling from your show one great show

1086
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:40,250
Tim show in all the books I've read so

1087
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:42,910
it's just you know it's like

1088
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:45,910
I sort of like refound the UFO topics

1089
00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:47,110
I'd grown up loving it but there was

1090
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:48,820
like this look a lag period I think

1091
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:50,950
about really 2008 or somebody better

1092
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,210
like I'm just tired of reading the

1093
00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:53,920
forum's nothing's new and then I started

1094
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:56,380
hearing like Greg show and people

1095
00:45:05,160 --> 00:44:57,520
started to talk about Jacques the late

1096
00:45:07,110 --> 00:45:05,170
John keel it's it's Dracula dude you

1097
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:07,120
take the stakeout and you start all over

1098
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:12,130
again this stuff man I root for it I

1099
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:13,510
want more information I hope this

1100
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:16,330
disclosure thing is the real deal and

1101
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:18,190
maybe we get like you know some more

1102
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:19,630
light shined on this and we can get

1103
00:45:23,070 --> 00:45:21,370
maybe an answer or two would be really

1104
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,080
cool or even just you know they would

1105
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:24,640
elaborate more and maybe some of the

1106
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,710
patterns that they've found with these

1107
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,480
objects that are fun when this guy I was

1108
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:30,160
a lot to know because that would be that

1109
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:31,930
would be incredible even that they even

1110
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:33,250
know if a pattern with these things I

1111
00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:34,900
mean like that would be so cool to know

1112
00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:38,440
I just don't think we're it's gonna bear

1113
00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:40,990
the fruit that everyone wants I would

1114
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:42,220
have to agree yeah I don't think we're

1115
00:45:46,650 --> 00:45:44,050
ever gonna and fully know the truth but

1116
00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:46,660
you know there's people like you and

1117
00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:49,300
Greg and all the UFO researchers no

1118
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:51,820
matter what their belief system are or

1119
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:53,610
their approach like we're all just

1120
00:45:58,740 --> 00:45:56,050
stumbling along on the journey I think

1121
00:46:00,960 --> 00:45:58,750
that's way more important or rewarding

1122
00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:00,970
than like actually finding that that one

1123
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:02,860
answer it's the probably it's get one no

1124
00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:05,410
I just don't think there really is an

1125
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:07,480
answer in like in the way we perceive

1126
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,850
answers being answered garbled weird

1127
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,040
thing to say but like I just you know

1128
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:17,680
like it's it's I don't think it's an ant

1129
00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:19,810
something that we could even perceive as

1130
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:22,120
an answer yeah I believe that there's

1131
00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:25,930
something going on it's such a hard

1132
00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:27,580
thing like you know I'm sure you run

1133
00:46:30,990 --> 00:46:29,080
across this thing and like I do all the

1134
00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:31,000
time when people are like oh man you go

1135
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:32,440
do you opposed to I totally believe

1136
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:34,690
aliens are real I'm like sure I believe

1137
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:36,130
there's aliens out there and then I told

1138
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:37,390
you like I don't think you know

1139
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:38,860
necessarily that they've ever visited

1140
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:41,530
earth in fact I don't you know i don't i

1141
00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:44,350
illogical alien has intelligent alien

1142
00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:45,820
has ever been on this planet I just

1143
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:47,030
don't see any real and

1144
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,850
prevent and what in the net totally

1145
00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:51,920
confuses that and I'm like boy do you

1146
00:47:01,840 --> 00:46:58,540
it's like show the real treat

1147
00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:01,850
yeah thanks man well it is it's that

1148
00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:03,800
constant struggle of trying to separate

1149
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:08,870
ET from the UFO and we try to we try to

1150
00:47:12,130 --> 00:47:10,670
yell that from the rooftops like we're

1151
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:12,140
talking about UFOs we're not talking

1152
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:13,910
about aliens and little saucers

1153
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:16,850
maybe but that's not what we're trying

1154
00:47:20,830 --> 00:47:17,510
to get across

1155
00:47:23,110 --> 00:47:20,840
yeah that's not it either

1156
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:23,120
yeah I just went through but I think

1157
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:25,970
it's funny that that is really and I

1158
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:27,290
think it's actually people if my eyes

1159
00:47:30,820 --> 00:47:29,090
are being opened up a quite a bit more

1160
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:30,830
these in the last like year or two it's

1161
00:47:33,850 --> 00:47:32,330
like because I now hear people say like

1162
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:33,860
well maybe they're interdimensional and

1163
00:47:37,930 --> 00:47:35,420
these people just kind of cool part into

1164
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:37,940
the talking about okay well at least

1165
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:39,710
another options getting it out there for

1166
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:42,640
people which i think is good you know so

1167
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:45,590
yeah it's funny of that you know I guess

1168
00:47:49,690 --> 00:47:47,750
probably goes back to Kenneth Arnold and

1169
00:47:51,250 --> 00:47:49,700
Roswell the Roswell era that people just

1170
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:51,260
you know we were kind of in the hole you

1171
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:52,910
know was launching it the whole space

1172
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:55,010
race thing and you know that was what

1173
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,600
was in the zeitgeist at the time so

1174
00:48:00,880 --> 00:47:58,640
people older obviously you're from space

1175
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:00,890
yeah it all started with Kenneth Arnold

1176
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:09,350
in Roswell they seemingly started a new

1177
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:14,390
religion without meaning to what uh what

1178
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:16,310
are there any cases Steve that you

1179
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:18,410
really went when you do others friends

1180
00:48:23,350 --> 00:48:21,560
who are like dude UFOs like when they

1181
00:48:25,150 --> 00:48:23,360
find out you're into this sort of stuff

1182
00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:25,160
alright what cases do you turn them to

1183
00:48:29,050 --> 00:48:27,140
where you're like this is what shows

1184
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:29,060
there's a core phenomenon it's a

1185
00:48:33,490 --> 00:48:30,950
credible thing like are there any that

1186
00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:33,500
really come to mind yeah oh boy

1187
00:48:39,850 --> 00:48:37,240
you know like Paul key I think sure

1188
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:39,860
Pokemon that was it but UFOs best

1189
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:44,150
evidence or maybe ten cases years ago

1190
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:46,310
and I thought I thought he kind of hit

1191
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:48,410
on probably a lot of the mainstream ones

1192
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:57,890
yeah it's awkward yeah Rendlesham is

1193
00:49:02,750 --> 00:49:01,260
very interesting uh Kecksburg I'm you

1194
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:02,760
know I think something happened only it

1195
00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:04,950
was a UFO I actually went out to the

1196
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:06,750
site my wife is uh from close to that

1197
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:11,480
area so okay but I did see the Acorn

1198
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:15,660
statute which is cool yeah I I can tell

1199
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:17,250
you that it's funny it's like I I don't

1200
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:19,770
really have go to cases that I point to

1201
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:22,890
as like dude see see but I have ones

1202
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:26,310
that I that I think about a lot myself

1203
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:29,670
oh and the Herbert shimmer shimmer one

1204
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:34,620
Ashley Nebraska do discovered that oh no

1205
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:37,770
way I see I'm from Omaha Nebraska and

1206
00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:40,670
Ashland is like 25 miles away so that

1207
00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:43,470
was always kind of like a really

1208
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:45,270
important case just gonna see him sort

1209
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:46,290
of happen in my backyard

1210
00:49:51,830 --> 00:49:48,590
actually over Christmas I went to go

1211
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,840
meet with somebody from the library who

1212
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,760
gave me you let me see the the police

1213
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:56,160
report oh wow yeah and I went to like a

1214
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:57,330
restaurant to try to talk to some

1215
00:50:00,830 --> 00:49:59,010
old-timers and they were like oh yeah we

1216
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:00,840
knew him people and people ran him out

1217
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:06,210
of town you know he was kind of a sad

1218
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:12,330
guy you know man you know it really

1219
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:15,060
ruins life in covering it on the show

1220
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:18,450
like I had the amazing opportunity and

1221
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:21,180
resource to get some some audio from him

1222
00:50:27,110 --> 00:50:25,680
like recounting everything it's it's a

1223
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:27,120
little creepy again it's one of those

1224
00:50:29,810 --> 00:50:28,650
cases where I'm like what the hell did

1225
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:29,820
this dude have to gain from coming

1226
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,730
coming out with a story and she ruined

1227
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:35,280
him it ruined him I mean to the point

1228
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:36,810
where he like you said he change his

1229
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:39,630
name he moved out of state he does his

1230
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:42,090
job at the police department like yeah I

1231
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,180
mean it did not heed benefitted I mean

1232
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:47,280
it just took it took everything for her

1233
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:49,770
but he stuck to it till his dying day

1234
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:51,780
which to me is like all right either

1235
00:50:56,330 --> 00:50:54,810
this dude like was so delusional that he

1236
00:50:58,340 --> 00:50:56,340
started to actually believe his own

1237
00:51:02,620 --> 00:50:58,350
story or something

1238
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:02,630
truly strange yeah I've been doing III

1239
00:51:06,609 --> 00:51:04,910
tend to think the heap again going back

1240
00:51:08,289 --> 00:51:06,619
to what you said earlier and I think

1241
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,299
it's so important man I'm gonna keep I

1242
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:10,640
bring it up I believe he believes what

1243
00:51:14,829 --> 00:51:11,150
he saw

1244
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:14,839
I do like looked into this case since I

1245
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:17,089
was a kid in like there's not a whole

1246
00:51:20,769 --> 00:51:19,369
lot to read about it unfortunately other

1247
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:20,779
way you know he can easily find on the

1248
00:51:26,499 --> 00:51:21,230
Internet

1249
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:26,509
yeah but man I just don't see that he

1250
00:51:29,650 --> 00:51:28,490
made this up I know like in terms of

1251
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:29,660
like pointing out thin air I think

1252
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:32,210
either you know he had some kind of

1253
00:51:36,819 --> 00:51:34,609
delusional episode or some kind of fuse

1254
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,829
day or he would have something truly

1255
00:51:41,170 --> 00:51:38,960
anomalous and we have to remember too

1256
00:51:46,809 --> 00:51:41,180
that he did go under hypnotic regression

1257
00:51:49,390 --> 00:51:46,819
which can be very detrimental dude yes

1258
00:51:51,579 --> 00:51:49,400
it's crazy it's actually weird hypnosis

1259
00:51:54,730 --> 00:51:51,589
is getting big with just general therapy

1260
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:54,740
in Los Angeles is it I have a friend

1261
00:52:00,579 --> 00:51:57,410
who's been you know everyone in LA a

1262
00:52:02,410 --> 00:52:00,589
therapist one of my friends is going to

1263
00:52:04,690 --> 00:52:02,420
like a really like you know prestigious

1264
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:04,700
like expensive fancy therapist who's

1265
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:19,400
like really credited and he's in if you

1266
00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:32,049
exactly well will hash it out before you

1267
00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:35,329
talk to there I've never talked about

1268
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:37,910
UFOs so intensely at this time of day

1269
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:41,599
yeah you know after maybe a bond rip and

1270
00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:46,490
a couple of beers with somebody most of

1271
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:47,720
these shows and everything are always

1272
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:48,890
like coast to coast

1273
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:51,230
you know it's like in the morning but no

1274
00:52:55,569 --> 00:52:53,569
I I work an evening job so like

1275
00:52:58,059 --> 00:52:55,579
unfortunately the mornings are always

1276
00:52:59,470 --> 00:52:58,069
like the best for me and everyone always

1277
00:53:02,990 --> 00:52:59,480
says the same thing like it's too early

1278
00:53:05,090 --> 00:53:03,000
to talk about this [\h__\h] no I love it

1279
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:05,100
it's the day start over I'm you know

1280
00:53:09,980 --> 00:53:08,310
buzzed on coffee and bacon yeah

1281
00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:09,990
awesome dude well that's good to hear

1282
00:53:16,820 --> 00:53:12,600
for sure so what are cases could you

1283
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:16,830
turn us to me well for modern the the

1284
00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:19,710
case that blew me away and got me so

1285
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:21,840
excited I think was the oh that that's

1286
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:23,490
heaven last 20 would be the O'Hare

1287
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:26,460
International the Chicago Airport Castle

1288
00:53:32,420 --> 00:53:28,890
Italy that is so fascinating cuz there

1289
00:53:34,070 --> 00:53:32,430
were so many witnesses pilots people who

1290
00:53:36,350 --> 00:53:34,080
worked for United Airlines people who

1291
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:36,360
were just the airport they all described

1292
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:39,960
the exact same thing it was really it's

1293
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,420
really weird right it's beard and like

1294
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:44,880
whatever it was it literally like

1295
00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:47,070
pierced a hole through the clouds and

1296
00:53:55,550 --> 00:53:53,390
like yeah I mean it's that kid that I'm

1297
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:55,560
do you ever hear the rumor that Dan

1298
00:54:00,590 --> 00:53:57,210
Aykroyd supposedly pay like a million

1299
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:00,600
dollars for like footage of it yeah I

1300
00:54:06,980 --> 00:54:02,970
heard that years ago but I you know I

1301
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:06,990
you know yet to see anything come out

1302
00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:09,570
with that I'm still hoping if I received

1303
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:11,070
a integrity no I am Anna that's the

1304
00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:14,280
first thing I've been asking yeah O'Hara

1305
00:54:18,590 --> 00:54:17,070
goodies please supposedly there is video

1306
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:18,600
footage I've heard that from several

1307
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,090
services but again Who am I like they

1308
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:23,040
could be totally making that [\h__\h] up but

1309
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:25,170
yeah I mean there's gonna be one

1310
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:28,200
produced one my god I mean I I just

1311
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:29,700
thought that was such a crazy case and

1312
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:31,980
I'm you know what even like I think to

1313
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:33,690
this day it was the most hit that

1314
00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:34,950
Chicago Tribune had ever had

1315
00:54:39,740 --> 00:54:37,260
oh yeah shut down their website like

1316
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:39,750
wrote their website like they're under

1317
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:43,020
some great like a footage of the new the

1318
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:45,240
local like newscasters like off-camera

1319
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:51,210
talking about it holy SH I love it

1320
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:53,610
actually in terms of maybe it's not you

1321
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:56,250
know the surface a UFO case but Jean

1322
00:54:59,960 --> 00:54:57,930
Flay cannot convince me otherwise that

1323
00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:59,970
the sedima incident

1324
00:55:04,310 --> 00:55:01,500
feels like what a most exciting

1325
00:55:06,830 --> 00:55:04,320
potential UFO cases can you imagine like

1326
00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:06,840
these these kids or whatnot and then

1327
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:09,030
eventually a lot of people we're

1328
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:10,440
thinking they're having like a

1329
00:55:14,650 --> 00:55:12,690
miraculous experience meantime it's like

1330
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:14,660
this being

1331
00:55:24,999 --> 00:55:22,880
Zeta Reticuli I think well it's it's

1332
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:25,009
also works like you know Akina what's

1333
00:55:28,269 --> 00:55:26,210
interesting there's a chapter in my

1334
00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:28,279
valets book rewrites about the year

1335
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:30,920
before on the same day these kids

1336
00:55:35,859 --> 00:55:33,710
actually saw these beings another group

1337
00:55:37,690 --> 00:55:35,869
so it was like this was not like an

1338
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:37,700
isolated incident but the Fatima one

1339
00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:39,529
just got a lot more buzz impressed they

1340
00:55:43,299 --> 00:55:40,670
had a lot more witnesses

1341
00:55:47,950 --> 00:55:43,309
but this inhabit the year prior wow I

1342
00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:47,960
had no idea yeah it is I think it might

1343
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:48,140
be

1344
00:55:53,859 --> 00:55:51,920
science series where it's just as

1345
00:55:56,349 --> 00:55:53,869
journals that's the only one I have not

1346
00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:56,359
read yeah so yeah you've got a volume

1347
00:56:00,839 --> 00:55:58,190
one through four and I've only read one

1348
00:56:02,829 --> 00:56:00,849
through three but man they are so

1349
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:02,839
important to read if you're into this

1350
00:56:06,579 --> 00:56:04,490
stuff I feel like it's almost like my

1351
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:06,589
favorite UFO stuff is his journals

1352
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:08,630
because it's like it is deep it is

1353
00:56:11,890 --> 00:56:10,490
personal and it's really like he is

1354
00:56:15,249 --> 00:56:11,900
really trying to hash this stuff out

1355
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:15,259
yeah and is so deeply fascinating oh my

1356
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:18,380
god yeah it's interesting to have seen

1357
00:56:22,749 --> 00:56:21,049
the trajectory valet has taken you know

1358
00:56:27,059 --> 00:56:22,759
since he started all this and now he

1359
00:56:30,190 --> 00:56:27,069
kind of has not turned his back on UFO

1360
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:30,200
studies but at least on the UFO field

1361
00:56:35,049 --> 00:56:32,569
and community and a big part of me does

1362
00:56:37,150 --> 00:56:35,059
not blame him one bit works yeah yeah

1363
00:56:40,059 --> 00:56:37,160
it's sobering to say the least but he

1364
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,069
said it was done like proposing these

1365
00:56:45,099 --> 00:56:42,319
theories and getting his information out

1366
00:56:47,999 --> 00:56:45,109
there in in turn you have these cult

1367
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:48,009
leaders in these charlatans just like

1368
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:51,920
sucking off the valet to death yeah ya

1369
00:56:58,180 --> 00:56:56,089
know it's it's I think like I don't even

1370
00:57:00,279 --> 00:56:58,190
know where this field would be imagine

1371
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:00,289
it without that guy you know like it

1372
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,809
really is hard to imagine the UFO field

1373
00:57:07,930 --> 00:57:05,599
Jacques life for me because without the

1374
00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:07,940
work of his work I would not I probably

1375
00:57:13,870 --> 00:57:11,390
would have lost interest 10-15 years ago

1376
00:57:16,029 --> 00:57:13,880
to be honest seen when I kind of

1377
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:16,039
rediscovered him you know ten years ago

1378
00:57:21,009 --> 00:57:19,130
it was I often I had never been more

1379
00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:21,019
interested in UFOs yeah you know like

1380
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:23,900
it's just he's going to places where I

1381
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:26,690
feel like it's just the one

1382
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:28,430
disappointing thing is is I wish more

1383
00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:30,049
people to follow Slade and kind of like

1384
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,630
go down the paths that he's lighting for

1385
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:34,640
all of us and like you are and like Greg

1386
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:37,730
is in but I wish it still feels like a

1387
00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:40,760
small faction of us Schokolade devotees

1388
00:57:45,609 --> 00:57:43,700
like I always kind of term like you know

1389
00:57:47,319 --> 00:57:45,619
people who were into the chocolate stuff

1390
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:47,329
like you know Greg and like red pill

1391
00:57:54,910 --> 00:57:50,420
junky and those guys in the punk rock of

1392
00:57:57,819 --> 00:57:54,920
UFO yeah absolutely man going against

1393
00:58:01,630 --> 00:57:57,829
the norm and yeah we should assert the

1394
00:58:03,970 --> 00:58:01,640
the valet caste I think dude I'm so when

1395
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,980
I'm in her care remember yeah because

1396
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:05,599
that that's where really where my

1397
00:58:09,819 --> 00:58:07,940
interest lies is is in all these thought

1398
00:58:12,250 --> 00:58:09,829
experiments and just trying to take the

1399
00:58:15,220 --> 00:58:12,260
topic as far as you can you know like

1400
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:15,230
because I when the one problem with with

1401
00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:17,210
when people get to I think attach to all

1402
00:58:21,099 --> 00:58:18,980
the you know the government stuff being

1403
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:21,109
the answer and you know the conspiracy

1404
00:58:25,329 --> 00:58:23,420
stuff it's just it's almost like you've

1405
00:58:26,650 --> 00:58:25,339
made up your mind and just said I want

1406
00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:26,660
to stop learning the government knows

1407
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:28,220
until they give me the answers you know

1408
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,750
it's like I'm like yes but you're not

1409
00:58:33,279 --> 00:58:31,520
really learning anything - and it just

1410
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,289
seems like also such other negative like

1411
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:36,319
kind of like I'm really not I'm really

1412
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:38,329
not a big conspiracy theory guy like I

1413
00:58:42,190 --> 00:58:40,430
find it so I find it very toxic

1414
00:58:46,569 --> 00:58:42,200
especially nowadays where people take

1415
00:58:47,140 --> 00:58:46,579
them so literally I mean how the boring

1416
00:58:49,329 --> 00:58:47,150
man

1417
00:58:51,339 --> 00:58:49,339
like trust they're not trusting about

1418
00:58:54,010 --> 00:58:51,349
how boring would it be to accept the

1419
00:58:56,740 --> 00:58:54,020
answer by the government about UFOs like

1420
00:58:59,019 --> 00:58:56,750
like you said they've been probably

1421
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,029
lying for a really long time and not

1422
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,760
lying about like being in cohorts with

1423
00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:04,640
the alien wiser just like lying that

1424
00:59:09,819 --> 00:59:07,640
they they're in control of it or then

1425
00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:09,829
they know what's going on they don't

1426
00:59:15,099 --> 00:59:12,980
know anything they don't and that makes

1427
00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:15,109
me really be sympathetic to their

1428
00:59:19,779 --> 00:59:16,849
situation you know if you think about it

1429
00:59:22,210 --> 00:59:19,789
if they were to come out in 1957 look

1430
00:59:24,370 --> 00:59:22,220
there are these crafts that appear to be

1431
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:24,380
physical and they're controlled by a

1432
00:59:34,830 --> 00:59:26,210
nonhuman intelligence and we can't do

1433
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,590
you can kind of like see how you know

1434
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:40,400
not that what these people are after you

1435
00:59:45,070 --> 00:59:42,530
became outdated for knowledge like you

1436
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:45,080
know society would completely collapse I

1437
00:59:49,630 --> 00:59:46,400
don't think that would be the case yeah

1438
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:49,640
but I do think it would potentially be

1439
00:59:55,210 --> 00:59:53,090
you know hurtful for to the government

1440
00:59:56,110 --> 00:59:55,220
military if they you know admitted that

1441
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:56,120
there was something that's out of their

1442
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:57,920
control they are a control system in

1443
01:00:01,330 --> 00:59:59,210
when a control system in MIT that I

1444
01:00:03,310 --> 01:00:01,340
control but control system fails so

1445
01:00:06,730 --> 01:00:03,320
perfect yep I couldn't I couldn't

1446
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:06,740
summarize that any better Mike well okay

1447
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:09,680
so moving order to sort of your current

1448
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:12,410
work then which we can connect to serve

1449
01:00:17,620 --> 01:00:15,920
two UFOs absolutely this is this is what

1450
01:00:19,450 --> 01:00:17,630
I was really excited to get you on you

1451
01:00:21,010 --> 01:00:19,460
know other than talking about it over an

1452
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:21,020
hour about UFOs um

1453
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:24,560
voyage to the stars this is so cool man

1454
01:00:28,330 --> 01:00:26,150
how did this come to be

1455
01:00:30,430 --> 01:00:28,340
how did you get involved give us sort of

1456
01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:30,440
the the origin story of voyage to the

1457
01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:31,120
stars

1458
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:35,750
okay cool yeah boy sisters is a science

1459
01:00:40,570 --> 01:00:38,090
fiction it's a it's a science fiction

1460
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:40,580
improvised podcast that kind of plays

1461
01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:43,010
upon like all the you know big science

1462
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:44,540
fiction tropes Battlestar Galactica of

1463
01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:47,210
Star Trek yeah yeah I can't place with

1464
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:48,800
all those and flips them around and

1465
01:00:54,790 --> 01:00:51,380
turns into a sort of dark hobby so I got

1466
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:54,800
involved I for years and years and years

1467
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:56,810
and years kind of made my bones and the

1468
01:01:02,590 --> 01:00:58,970
improv and sketch comedy stages in LA

1469
01:01:05,590 --> 01:01:02,600
and so I got approached by the creator

1470
01:01:06,430 --> 01:01:05,600
Ryan Koppel to do this show and he you

1471
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:06,440
know he did cause he knew I was an

1472
01:01:13,210 --> 01:01:07,970
improviser and also kind of knew that I

1473
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:13,220
was into space of stuff I suppose geek

1474
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:15,920
geek room whatever I know but uh so

1475
01:01:20,890 --> 01:01:18,140
anyways yeah we got together and uh it's

1476
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:20,900
you know Cole Dunn who was a legendary

1477
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:22,850
improviser and on the show superstore

1478
01:01:27,370 --> 01:01:25,760
was on it Felicia Day who was a great

1479
01:01:30,910 --> 01:01:27,380
improviser and also just kind of like

1480
01:01:32,890 --> 01:01:30,920
you know a Internet queen she is a you

1481
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:32,900
know three large figure and then Jenna

1482
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:34,610
Varney who is another wonderful comedian

1483
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:37,280
a lot of TV shows and stuff like that

1484
01:01:39,799 --> 01:01:38,130
and

1485
01:01:41,029 --> 01:01:39,809
so they just kind of all luckily thought

1486
01:01:43,279 --> 01:01:41,039
work Texan none of us had ever really

1487
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:43,289
ever really improvised together so yeah

1488
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:44,700
we it's it's kind of concur be

1489
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:46,619
enthusiasm type situation where we get

1490
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,900
like a brief outline of what the episode

1491
01:01:53,059 --> 01:01:51,119
is the story we need to drive forward

1492
01:01:55,309 --> 01:01:53,069
and we just kind of go up and around and

1493
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:55,319
improvise the dialogue that's really

1494
01:02:00,890 --> 01:01:59,160
cool again link yes it's not really in

1495
01:02:02,990 --> 01:02:00,900
my opinion really been done in the

1496
01:02:05,569 --> 01:02:03,000
podcasting world it's like yeah you have

1497
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:05,579
these scripted stories that have the

1498
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:08,220
whole thing outlined in plans you're

1499
01:02:12,740 --> 01:02:09,930
getting but like you guys are like

1500
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:12,750
discovering discovering like the story

1501
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,730
on the way that's really interesting it

1502
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,559
is fun it's a you know it's a fun week

1503
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:18,000
you have to really be on your toes so it

1504
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:19,859
is like you know it's like playing music

1505
01:02:23,690 --> 01:02:21,450
where you really have to be present

1506
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:23,700
really really elusive because like it's

1507
01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:25,049
not like we're doing like an improv show

1508
01:02:28,999 --> 01:02:26,940
like on stage where it's like you know

1509
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:29,009
we could suggest in the orange peel and

1510
01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:31,170
create a 40-minute show off that this

1511
01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:33,660
were actually having to tell a very

1512
01:02:39,140 --> 01:02:36,180
somewhat complicated narratives while

1513
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,150
improvising dialogue so it is it is

1514
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:41,039
quite challenging to be happy it's like

1515
01:02:44,930 --> 01:02:42,089
even though I haven't been improvising

1516
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:44,940
for over 15 years it's still probably

1517
01:02:49,549 --> 01:02:47,220
what's the hardest thing in the improv

1518
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,559
realm I've ever had to do but it's been

1519
01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:51,599
a ton of fun man so it's been great and

1520
01:02:56,539 --> 01:02:53,339
we're doing you know we're doing it

1521
01:02:57,980 --> 01:02:56,549
quite a few live shows around la in San

1522
01:03:00,259 --> 01:02:57,990
Francisco and I'm actually going to

1523
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:00,269
Nashville today to go we're gonna go do

1524
01:03:04,999 --> 01:03:02,690
some shows this weekend and uh oh yeah

1525
01:03:06,529 --> 01:03:05,009
performing is really the most fun for me

1526
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:06,539
because that's kind what I grew up doing

1527
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:10,049
so it's interesting how well a podcast

1528
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:12,329
works live I was very skeptical of

1529
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:14,609
working but I'm shocked yeah it really

1530
01:03:19,339 --> 01:03:16,920
is doing a live show life comedy show

1531
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:19,349
cool and you know what it really is I

1532
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:20,970
think the wave of the future when it

1533
01:03:26,779 --> 01:03:23,910
comes to both comedy and radio it's like

1534
01:03:28,999 --> 01:03:26,789
mixing these two worlds together that

1535
01:03:31,099 --> 01:03:29,009
may not have oh yeah I mean we've had

1536
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:31,109
comedy radio shows since the dawn of the

1537
01:03:36,769 --> 01:03:33,240
radio but well at the same time like

1538
01:03:39,049 --> 01:03:36,779
this idea of podcasting it's it seems

1539
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:39,059
old at this point but it's actually

1540
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:41,130
still fairly new and the fact is like

1541
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:43,740
the comedy world is tapped into that and

1542
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:46,710
taken advantage of that it's super

1543
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,660
exciting I

1544
01:03:52,099 --> 01:03:50,400
anymore I think I think this is like

1545
01:03:54,529 --> 01:03:52,109
well it's here to stay whether we like

1546
01:03:57,020 --> 01:03:54,539
it or not and I can tell you just from

1547
01:03:59,329 --> 01:03:57,030
like I mean I know like all these

1548
01:04:02,240 --> 01:03:59,339
production companies now like are now

1549
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:02,250
developing podcast productions offshoots

1550
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,240
so if they are it really is a race to

1551
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:08,579
monetize podcast right now I think so

1552
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:11,369
and vice versa you know a lot of TV and

1553
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:13,049
movies now are based directly off of

1554
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:16,410
podcasts so I mean absolutely totally it

1555
01:04:20,569 --> 01:04:19,440
is a cycle for sure yeah I think I think

1556
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:20,579
they're great though because it's like

1557
01:04:24,380 --> 01:04:22,740
you know largely free content that and

1558
01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:24,390
then you know obviously with anything

1559
01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:27,059
like TV movies and podcast you have to

1560
01:04:31,279 --> 01:04:29,819
kind of like weed through some crap to

1561
01:04:32,809 --> 01:04:31,289
get to the good stuff but when you find

1562
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:32,819
a good podcast man like yours

1563
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:36,329
I mean you know it's it's something I

1564
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:37,470
look forward to it's like you know it's

1565
01:04:40,609 --> 01:04:38,700
like appointment TV it's like it

1566
01:04:45,069 --> 01:04:40,619
wouldn't you know when a new podcast

1567
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,260
right I find it I'm very grateful for

1568
01:04:53,779 --> 01:04:50,400
the pop podcast world me too I mean

1569
01:04:55,849 --> 01:04:53,789
obviously yeah it's great though man

1570
01:04:57,260 --> 01:04:55,859
like your show is important you know and

1571
01:04:59,839 --> 01:04:57,270
we may not be able to hear it if there

1572
01:05:02,029 --> 01:04:59,849
was a podcast so it's uh damn man I'm a

1573
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,039
fan I'm a fan I really appreciate that

1574
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:04,559
dude and like I said off air like you

1575
01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:07,410
don't realize when you start this

1576
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:09,390
podcasting thing how much you can

1577
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,369
actually affect people or how many

1578
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:13,200
people actually listen like every week

1579
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:15,390
I'm like oh cool it did okay but then

1580
01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:17,849
you have you know I had a guy say he had

1581
01:05:21,980 --> 01:05:19,710
just gotten through a divorce and he was

1582
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:21,990
depressed and he said like I listen to

1583
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:23,970
your show every week and it really kept

1584
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:26,220
me going or if I could keep people

1585
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:26,970
distracted

1586
01:05:31,819 --> 01:05:29,130
forget the horrible [\h__\h] in their lives

1587
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:31,829
or the boring stuff in their lives yeah

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like that job well done the fact that

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01:05:38,359 --> 01:05:36,390
people may actually get something from

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01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:38,369
the show that's all I could ever ask for

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01:05:43,579 --> 01:05:41,609
well I think that should be it'd be

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01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:43,589
great if all artists felt that way isn't

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01:05:46,370 --> 01:05:44,910
you know truly like I cuz I mean like

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01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,380
I'm not trying to sound like this

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01:05:50,299 --> 01:05:48,480
altruistic you know like oh man I'm just

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01:05:52,579 --> 01:05:50,309
in doing it for the ER but like I do

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01:05:54,859 --> 01:05:52,589
believe that as well like the only

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01:05:55,460 --> 01:05:54,869
reason I you know granted towards

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entertainment

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01:05:58,760 --> 01:05:57,240
like how goodnight like not the only

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01:06:02,270 --> 01:05:58,770
reason obviously why bit self-serving

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01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:02,280
but like this is the way I can help

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01:06:06,980 --> 01:06:05,460
society a little bit you know I I

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01:06:08,359 --> 01:06:06,990
couldn't be a doctor it couldn't be a

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:08,369
lawyer I couldn't do a lot of things but

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01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:09,930
I feel like I you know I can make people

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01:06:16,190 --> 01:06:11,310
giggle maybe forget about the problems

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01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,200
for a minute or two so pretentious but

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01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:18,960
it is true like you said like it's cool

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01:06:22,310 --> 01:06:20,940
when you find out the podcast you did or

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01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:22,320
any kind of piece of art you did

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01:06:27,260 --> 01:06:23,880
effective people that's kind of the goal

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01:06:30,830 --> 01:06:27,270
right it is like we all are striving

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01:06:32,780 --> 01:06:30,840
like to connect with one another evoke a

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01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:32,790
reaction out of someone or a complete

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01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:35,700
stranger like job well done I couldn't

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01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:37,650
agree more and I feel like music and all

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01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:40,200
music is art is like the only like like

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01:06:52,010 --> 01:06:41,640
positive thing left in the world right

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01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,020
now yeah we laugh because it's true we

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01:06:57,620 --> 01:06:55,200
laugh it was a man I read the papers

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01:07:12,290 --> 01:06:57,630
before I got on with you I'm like Jesus

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01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:12,300
Christ let's forget that well it has

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01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:14,940
been such an honor man I'm so happy I

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01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,920
was able to get you one not got to ask

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01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:18,480
you before we go are you working on

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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:18,990
anything

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01:07:23,810 --> 01:07:22,050
ufo-related right now or you said you're

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01:07:30,530 --> 01:07:23,820
heading to Nashville right after this my

1630
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:30,540
god I keep acting like what my podcast

1631
01:07:34,700 --> 01:07:33,570
of the summer festivals and all the one

1632
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:34,710
ounce and comedy that I would do

1633
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,180
alcoholic comedy festivals in summer

1634
01:07:40,210 --> 01:07:37,920
anyway it's just fun day of the summer

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01:07:42,530 --> 01:07:40,220
so it's typically slower out here it's a

1636
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:42,540
people get lazy in Hollywood taking

1637
01:07:48,250 --> 01:07:45,359
vacations so right now yeah honestly I'm

1638
01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:48,260
working on a show animated show on

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01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:51,720
Netflix called hoops awesome yeah and so

1640
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:53,880
I'm you know kind of a regular character

1641
01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:55,410
on that and so that's really I've been

1642
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:56,260
most of

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01:07:59,640 --> 01:07:57,730
I've been working on last month or so

1644
01:08:02,850 --> 01:07:59,650
it's been kind of dedicated towards that

1645
01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:02,860
but it is going to be I feel like I feel

1646
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:04,180
like it's the funniest thing I've ever

1647
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:06,370
been a part of so I'm really excited

1648
01:08:10,350 --> 01:08:08,470
about it I've been kind of like really

1649
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:10,360
wanting to get on a really good animated

1650
01:08:14,190 --> 01:08:12,400
show then kind of a big dream of mine so

1651
01:08:16,519 --> 01:08:14,200
I feel like oh man I feel like this is

1652
01:08:19,550 --> 01:08:16,529
the right one I love it the writing is

1653
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:19,560
bananas it's so so so so good and uh

1654
01:08:23,579 --> 01:08:22,089
yeah so that's that's kind of what I'm

1655
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:23,589
working on the next like month and then

1656
01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:25,330
after that I'm gonna just kind of take

1657
01:08:28,860 --> 01:08:27,100
some vacations and uh do some writing

1658
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:28,870
and then back in the fall I'll be you

1659
01:08:34,829 --> 01:08:31,410
know I may be returned to this show and

1660
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,839
you know auditions and back to uh back

1661
01:08:40,740 --> 01:08:36,880
to looking for work back to the grind

1662
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,750
man just grind man yeah and I'm like

1663
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:41,920
that summers a little slower though

1664
01:08:46,740 --> 01:08:44,380
because like January like may have been

1665
01:08:48,710 --> 01:08:46,750
just insane for me so I'm like ready to

1666
01:08:53,519 --> 01:08:48,720
slow it down a little bit maybe do what

1667
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:53,529
yeah well well-deserved vacation I can't

1668
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:55,089
thank you enough for coming on today

1669
01:09:00,420 --> 01:08:57,250
where you can be find out what you're up

1670
01:09:02,460 --> 01:09:00,430
to and where to find I don't I don't do

1671
01:09:04,019 --> 01:09:02,470
like social media a ton but I'm trying

1672
01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:04,029
to get better at it so if you want to

1673
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:06,450
follow me on those things my handle is

1674
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:09,190
burgomaster 5000 on Twitter and

1675
01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:11,770
Instagram so you can probably find out

1676
01:09:15,570 --> 01:09:13,720
any guys show I'm doing or whatnot but

1677
01:09:17,670 --> 01:09:15,580
uh if you live in Nashville and you're a

1678
01:09:18,860 --> 01:09:17,680
time traveler come to the show this

1679
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:18,870
weekend

1680
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,630
did you figure a friend of Ryan's I love

1681
01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:24,640
that man gotta get those does Steve

1682
01:09:29,999 --> 01:09:26,500
thank you so much for joining me on

1683
01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:30,009
somebody any damn time I had an absolute

1684
01:09:36,419 --> 01:09:31,900
blast this is so fun talking with you

1685
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:36,429
that you're here you get it you get it

1686
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:39,100
that is it for this week's episode again

1687
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:42,159
thanks to Steve Berg you could check him

1688
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,890
out on drunk history on Comedy Central

1689
01:09:49,260 --> 01:09:46,960
and be sure to go back and watch his

1690
01:09:53,459 --> 01:09:49,270
drunk retelling of the Roswell UFO

1691
01:09:55,530 --> 01:09:53,469
incident again alien con los angeles is

1692
01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:55,540
quickly approaching it's going to be a

1693
01:10:01,260 --> 01:09:59,230
crazy few days so I hope you can join me

1694
01:10:04,919 --> 01:10:01,270
and many other UFO and paranormal

1695
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:04,929
podcasts as we dive deep into why we do

1696
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,630
these shows I'll be giving my own solo

1697
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:09,760
presentation and also taking part on

1698
01:10:14,729 --> 01:10:12,489
several panels and doing live podcast

1699
01:10:18,330 --> 01:10:14,739
recordings of summer in the skies and

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01:10:21,899 --> 01:10:18,340
unknown with an audience you can join us

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01:10:24,990 --> 01:10:21,909
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01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:25,000
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01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:28,570
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01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,750
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01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:40,000
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01:10:50,340 --> 01:10:47,890
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01:10:53,209 --> 01:10:50,350
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01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:53,219
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01:11:00,000 --> 01:10:57,040
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01:11:02,610 --> 01:11:00,010
into you for listening I'll see you here

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01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:02,620
next week and remember keep your feet on

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01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:04,650
the ground but never stop searching

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[Applause]

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reality UFOs are seen by people from all

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01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:01,770
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01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:02,970
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01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:04,650
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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:05,940
governments of several other countries

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01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:07,650
too that's just a small element of what

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01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:09,210
makes the strange UFO topic so

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01:12:12,590 --> 01:12:10,830
incredibly fascinating and fun to

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01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:12,600
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podcast unknown I'm Jason McClellan and

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01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:16,500
I invite you to explore the weird and

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01:12:19,670 --> 01:12:18,330
wonderful world of UFOs with me and my

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01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:19,680
friends and colleagues on unknown

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